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Ma & Pa Sidney BC Bald Eagles -Patricia Bay - 2017-2018 Season

Post by elle » Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:36 pm

Welcome to the Ma and Pa Sidney BC - Pat Bay thread for 2017-2018

Ma and Pa Sidney have been a beloved Hancock Wild life pair since 2006 and they have successfully raised many eaglets in the past 10 years we have monitored them. They have built and used 4 nests in that time. 6 of those years we were privileged to see them on live streaming cams.

Ma and Pa Sidney did not raise any young in 2017. There were territorial wars all season and it seems another eagle pair have successfully usurped part of Ma and Pa's property.

Over the years Ma and Pa have also suffered loss of habitat due to human activity; trees topped and felled and 2 subdivisions built within their territory.

The most recent nest is located on a large private property. There is no cam at this location. For security reasons the property owner does not want the location to be divulged on social media. She has also asked for discretion by those who know where the nest is located. Trespassers will be prosecuted.

The Epicure nest is still intact but the 50 acre subdivided parcel that was for sale has now sold and the nest is located on that portion. So the nest is no longer on land owned by Epicure. It remains to be seen what, if anything, will happen on the subdivided land where the nest is located.

Visitors to the Pat Bay area are welcome to share their observations, photos and videos of Ma & Pa Sidney. They are often seen perched in trees along the Pat Bay shore and sometimes even on the beach itself.

We all wish this beloved pair success in the coming year.

Last year's thread for the season 2016-2017 can be viewed HERE


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Re: Ma & Pa Sidney BC Bald Eagles -Patricia Bay - 2017-2018 Season

Post by elle » Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:24 am

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Post by sassyk » Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:04 pm

Ma & Pa on the snag on the property north of the Epicure property, taken 15 Jan. 2018.
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These next 2 photos are Ma & Pa perched lower down on the same snag as in above photo vocalizing at the intruder in the area. Photos were taken 8 Feb. 2018.
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Re: Ma & Pa Sidney BC Bald Eagles -Patricia Bay - 2017-2018 Season

Post by elle » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:43 am

2 adult eagles in the Epicure nest this morning. Presumably Ma and Pa. Thanks M for the report. We plan a visit to the peninsula this afternoon and will check it all out!
This is not particularly surprising news since last year there must have been a tragedy at the most recent nest resulting in no offspring that season.
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Re: Ma & Pa Sidney BC Bald Eagles -Patricia Bay - 2017-2018 Season

Post by sassyk » Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:12 pm

I do remember Nora posting somewhere, probably on her blog, that she saw and photographed Ma & Pa at the old nest in the snag the other day.
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Re: Ma & Pa Sidney BC Bald Eagles -Patricia Bay - 2017-2018 Season

Post by elle » Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:18 pm

sassyk: Yup. Just back from a visit. The ( former) Epicure nest is definitely in favour and there may be incubation happening but I am not entirely sure. The whole situation and dynamics there are quite confusing. I have some pictures I will post later but for now both Ian and I think our Pa is still on site and he has a new mate. This is bittersweet. Sad for our loss of Ma and his loss but happy he may have a new mate.
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Re: Ma & Pa Sidney BC Bald Eagles -Patricia Bay - 2017-2018 Season

Post by elle » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:48 am

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Post by elle » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:51 am

Couple more pictures of the new female. Her vocalisations are very high pitched and she is slender and looks quite young.
Thoughts?
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Re: Ma & Pa Sidney BC Bald Eagles -Patricia Bay - 2017-2018 Season

Post by JudiW » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:15 am

oh my pa Sidney has a new suitor :wave: wondered what happened to the old ma :eag: Pa Sidney is he liking this new Ma Sidney or is he in mourning for the old Ma Sidney ....can you tell by their actions Elle? When was the last time anyone saw old Ma? and just how long has the new Ma Sidney been around pursuing Pa?
Photos are great of both the eagles and I will be watching through your posts my friend where they nest and whqt is happening in the Sidney dynasty of Eagles :eag: :eag:

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Post by elle » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:28 am

Thanks JudiW. I am quite sure Ma was around last year but I am not sure about this year.
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Re: Ma & Pa Sidney BC Bald Eagles -Patricia Bay - 2017-2018 Season

Post by Woodlands Bleu » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:15 pm

I am glad to hear that there could be life on the nest again. It is always important, to me, to remember we have no control and are just observers of these precious eagles. Thank you so much Lynda and Ian for filling us in on events on the nest.
Everyone thank you for your posts!
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Post by elle » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:28 pm

Thanks Carolyn. And you are so welcome. There was so much upset at Pat Bay last year- it was a constant battle with intruders :( Some of the pictures I took last fall seemed to indicate it was our Ma and Pa back safe and sound. Other pictures did not. sassyk's pictures support that too and both she and I were :chin:
I really do not want to be a bearer of bad news and it breaks my heart to think that we and Pa may have lost Ma but we knew it would happen one day.
I choose to be optimistic for now and think perhaps a new pair have taken residence at the old Epicure nest and Ma and Pa may still be together at the newest Towner Park nest. Talons crossed and time will tell :luck:
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Post by Woodlands Bleu » Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:42 pm

Yes, hoping along with you. I can understand the perplexed. What is, is, and we will see. Thanks again for all the time spent to try to follow this amazing eagles.
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Post by JudiW » Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:55 pm

Elle Well it was going to happen eventually as most of the nests I do watch have changed either ma or pa....SW Florida nest lost Ozzie two seasons ago to M and Ma Lafarge after succumbing to an electrical wire Pa Lafarge found Lady and who knows who resides at Vanier Parks eagles nest....they fight for Pa Vanier Park and Hornby Island nest lost Mum two seasons ago she just disappeared and Dad replaced her with big eM so now its Pa and Ma Sidney to take extra watching just to see if your right concerning Pa getting a younger female but really hoping there's now 2 nests and 4 eagles :luck:

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Re: Ma & Pa Sidney BC Bald Eagles -Patricia Bay - 2017-2018 Season

Post by Deewerms » Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:48 pm

hi Elle, Kay, Judi and all, nice to be here, but sad to read the new news :ohmy: but that just happened to Deb and I, had intruders take over our Belle and Smittys nest, injured Belle so she could no longer protect her egg and kept her away from the nest, and Smitty seemed not able to do anything either, is awful when you're watching a nest for many years and then this happens, but that is the way it is, you never know :( nice pics and posts here of whoever, ty Elle and Kay, I will stay here anyway for now, see what happens, loved all pix and posts, ty again

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Post by sassyk » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:53 pm

I went to visit Ma & Pa today with 2 of my birding friends. They were perched in different trees on the property adjacent to the Epicure property; one in the same snag I have photographed them in on 2 previous visits, and the other one a few trees to the right. A short while later the one in the tree to the right flew to the top of the snag and they chatted back and forth for a few minutes. We thought they were going to get together for a mating but they just sat there enjoying the sunshine :thumlft: There was no sign of any eagles at the new nest on Towner Park Rd. but the nest did look bigger than it did last year. Sadly, part of the top of the perch tree at the beach end of the Epicure property has broken off. I have photographed both Ma & Pa separately and together in that tree many times. We were able to see the nest in the snag from the south end of the property and there were no eagles in it. I have to admit that I am certain the female is not our same Ma but is a fine looking eagle. I'll have a closer look at my photos later.

We saw a beautiful Red-tailed Hawk perched in one of the trees Ma & Pa used to perch in on the Epicure property. I'll post some photos later.
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Post by elle » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:10 am

sassyk: I think we can safely say our Ma is no longer at Pat Bay for whatever reason. But did you think the male is our Pa or is this a new pair altogether? I thought for sure they were nesting at the old Epicure nest as they were seen there but if they were both out together yesterday then perhaps not. I think the female is young and maybe not ready yet.
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Post by sassyk » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:43 am

This is the eagle perched a few trees to the right of the same snag I photographed them in the
previous 2 times I visited. The photo is a bit blurry; I had to find an opening through the trees.
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The same eagle as above at the top of the snag looking down at the other eagle. The beak on
this one is larger than Ma or Pa's beak.
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This is the same eagle at the top of the snag and it is definitely not our Ma or Pa. The head is
too small and narrow.
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Post by sassyk » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:49 am

This is the other eagle perched lower down on the snag. In some of my photos
this one did look like our Pa; in others it didn't. I'm still not convinced it is or isn't.
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Same eagle, calling to the one that was in the tree to the right of the snag.
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Both eagles in the snag.
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Post by elle » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:20 pm

We drove by Pat Bay and both Towner Park and Epicure nests on Tuesday March 27 in early afternoon.
Nothing at Towner Park
But Pa, I think, was above the Epicure nest and his new mate, I also think, was incubating in the nest.
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Post by stim » Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:04 pm

The new lady eagle looks like a large capable eagle. Thank you for sharing your musings, sightings and wonderings. Once established with eggs/young in the nest you might have a better opportunity to determine what is going on with whom. So much drama we endure with our eagles. :w00t:

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Post by elle » Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:23 pm

Thanks Sandra. I hoped I would never see the day when either Ma or Pa (or both) did not return to the nest but after 12 years and especially after the brutal battles that ensued last year it was inevitable to happen one day. :cry1:
We know the male secures the territory and the female chooses the nest site within that territory so this new young female appears to have chosen the Epicure nest. And inasmuch as many of us feel that particular nest in a dead tree is a bad choice , it has , against all odds , stood the test of time and many storms. It is somehow protected . :puzz:
I do think this is still our Pa and I do think this is a new mate for him.
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Post by Deewerms » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:53 pm

Elle and Kay, thank you both for all your reports and obs. with many pics, great keeping us all informed and very appreciated :thumlft: will stay around and see what occurs, and see if you both decide if this is definitely dad or not. my heart is broken for ma :( hope she is ok somewhere and happy also, with or without dad

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Post by sassyk » Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:13 pm

elle, Doreen & Sandra

I got very emotional (actually shed a few tears) at seeing another eagle incubating in Ma's nest :brknhrt: I hope she is not suffering somewhere and if she has passed away, I know her spirit will always be soaring over the Pat Bay area.
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Post by elle » Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:33 pm

Went to Pay Bay this afternoon. It was supposed to be sunny and warm .... not!.... and low tide.... yes ! it was low tide and we walked the length of the beach.
There were 2 adult eagles perched together in the tree where there was once a nest on Jed-Mar Farm across from both the Epicure nest and the Towner Park nest. No eagles visible in or above either of these 2 nests. :puzz:
And the pair in the farmer's field looked like our original Ma and Pa!
There were no other eagles seen in the area.
I do not know what to think.
I will post the pictures taken this afternoon and then we can discuss.
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Post by elle » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:13 am

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EPICURE NEST Yesterday afternoon
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TOWNER PARK NEST Yesterday afternoon
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Post by elle » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:15 am

2 adult Bald Eagles perched together at Jed-Mar Farm where they had a nest for a few years. Do they look like Pa AND Ma? !

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Post by sassyk » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:59 am

elle thanks for posting those photos. I guess the pair at the Epicure snag nest were just 'pretending'. It sure is a mystery what is going on out at Pat Bay :dunno: I can't tell for sure if these eagles are our original Ma & Pa, but they do look like they could be :luck: I'm hoping to visit the area before I leave for my vacation if this darned weather improves :roll:
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Post by elle » Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:55 am

There should have been a hatch or soon to be a hatch if there were eggs in the Epicure nest. I am beginning to wonder if Pa has 2 mates like the Trio nest in Illinois except in our case 2 females and a male! We did not see any other eagles in the area either. Very strange. But it would seem there will no eaglets this year either.
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