Surrey Reserve 2018-2019 Observation and Discussion

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Re: Surrey Reserve 2018-2019 Observation and Discussion

Post by JudyB » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:32 am

continuing....

Now that I've found the North video of early this morning (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HSxX2pqTZc), I'm checking for IDs from the 5:35 visit. I saw what the adult brought and it was white, so I'm guessing either flounder or fish head.

Here's a fairly clear image of the two chicks, and I think the one at the top has the food item and the other one is trying to grab it, but I'm not getting a lot of clues from the tails. My guess is that it's Dee that has it (often looks darker and sometimes looks slimmer) -
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- and I think I'm right because I got another look at the tail of the challenger, and I think it's Ess, though I didn't get a screenshot. Happily we're almost to the part where North is behaving like a normal cam - and I think this feeding continues until then.

OK - this is as good as it gets - Dee on the right is blurred (and eating), but Ess is still enough that I think we can see her lacy tail tips.
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Re: Surrey Reserve 2018-2019 Observation and Discussion

Post by JudyB » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:54 am

Continuing....

Current dvr for North starts at 5:53 am with Dee, I think, still eating, and Ess still trying for a grab. And then - Ess notices an approaching adult! And rushes over to greet him or her.
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And claims the prize, which appears to be part of a bird (you can catch a glimpse in the video - I'm thinking road kill seagull or pigeon). And Ess gets a firm grip and does a lovely mantle. But the catch with mantles is that unless you back up against a tree trunk, there's not a lot to keep someone from sneaking in the back door - and Dee tries that.
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And manages to grab a bit and brings it to the bottom of the screen, while happily Ess has kept the larger part, and is managing to work on her part while in full mantle position!
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:vid: Some for Both (90 seconds, both cams)


I included the South cam views because I love seeing how well these young eagles are doing at pouncing and protecting and grabbing - and I'm still amazed at how huge they are now!

Ess got more of this meal, and I don't think Dee was able to grab a second piece - but Dee did get the first delivery, so they are both doing well.

Meal was over by 6:08 am, and Dee went up to the perch on the slanted trunk. Ess flew off the nest at 6:09 and Dee flew from the perch a few moments later; I didn't hear calling, so don't think they saw food. (Or maybe they're learning to be sneaky - but I sort of doubt it.)

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Re: Surrey Reserve 2018-2019 Observation and Discussion

Post by JudyB » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:05 pm

Continuing....

One of the fledglings arrived back at the nest at 8:30 am and was checking for leftovers. And this is odd - but I don't think this is one of our fledglings. It's acting furtive - and it just doesn't look right for either Dee or Ess - and I can't say why. It's a big dark bird, just like them. Here's a picture, and I'll have a video in a minute. And at 8:33 am, Ess arrived from somewhere in the upper right - and the other chick left in a hurry. I am thinking we had a visitor.
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:vid: Visitor? (2:40)


I'm thinking what's different is that some of the feathers on the side of the visitor seem to be outlined in white, sort of like Ess's tail feathers, but more obvious because they're against a dark background. Dee and Ess both have bits of white here and there, but not a pattern I can describe well enough to use to tell which is which.

Thoughts?


Added at 1:58 pm - this may be Dee; I'm having second thoughts, and looking forward to hearing what others think. It's not unusual for a fledgling to try to claim the nest and keep siblings off - and shouldn't be a problem for Dee if Ess succeeds because Dee can chase after the adults and get food from them away from the nest.

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Re: Surrey Reserve 2018-2019 Observation and Discussion

Post by JudyB » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:37 pm

Continuing....

After chasing off the visitor, Ess took a little rest in the nest.
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And then Ess decided it was time to work on the nest, and rearrange a few of those pesky big sticks.
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:vid: Nestorations (2:11)



Ess flew off around 8:55 am.

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Re: Surrey Reserve 2018-2019 Observation and Discussion

Post by JudyB » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:38 pm

Continuing....

This has been a busy morning!


9:17 am
Someone is back - tail looks like Dee's....
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But the side view looks like the visitor.
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And he or she took off when he heard Ess coming (this is Ess - he didn't wait for a picture) - so not Dee.
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Ess flew off a couple of minutes later.

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Re: Surrey Reserve 2018-2019 Observation and Discussion

Post by JudyB » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:07 pm

Continuing....

10:26 am
This looks like Sur arriving with a snack.
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And here comes a fledgling....
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So - who is this?
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Definitely not Dee - I see white on the tail (I have a video of the initial almost 2 minutes of the feeding, and also saw it in the landing picture).

And it looks a lot like Ess, and Ess has been keeping an eye on the nest, and it's now 10:38 so the fledgling has been eating on the nest for over 10 minutes. She does keep looking around - but she has food, and she knows Dee and possibly the visitor might try to grab it. I think it's Ess - I really didn't see any white fringe on the tail of the visitor, and it's obvious here.
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:vid: All for Ess (1:46)


Added - I've looked at the video of the visitor again - and this is Ess. If she wasn't looking around so much, I'd never have questioned it.

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Re: Surrey Reserve 2018-2019 Observation and Discussion

Post by JudyB » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:20 pm

Continuing....

After the meal, Ess puttered around the nest a bit. And at 11:05, a fledgling landed, and Ess chased him/her off. Ess does try that with Dee, but doesn't usually succeed. Off to record the brief encounter and grab a screenshot.

Added -
Ess nearer the cam, other fledgling near the trunk.
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I need to go back and take a look at Dee's side feathers - I don't remember anything white-tipped - and I don't picture Dee being this easy to chase off, but whichever one this is, she or he did land while Ess was defending the nest.

:vid: Ess Defends the Nest (41 seconds)


Ess lay down afterwards for a brief nap. She's having a busy day!


At 12:34, she saw someone coming and chased them off in less than a second - all I saw was lots of white under the wings, which is true of most fledglings. Then she went back to lie down again.

Ess flew off at a little after 1 pm - and as far as I can tell, things have been quiet since then.

It's now 1:40 pm, and the nest and visible perches are empty.

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Re: Surrey Reserve 2018-2019 Observation and Discussion

Post by JudyB » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:56 pm

Well - I think I've been wrong about who is who. I just went back to early this morning when both fledglings were on the nest, and watched for a while with a focus on Dee's feather patterns.

I no longer think we have a visiting fledgling in the mix - I think Ess has decided to keep Dee off the nest. This is definitely not the first time that one fledgling has decided to attempt to keep siblings from coming to the nest - and sometimes that works better than other times. In this case, Dee has been flying for almost 2 weeks, and Ess has been flying for 10 days - so both of them will find ways to get food from the adults without getting deliveries at the nest (and/or start grabbing some themselves, depending what's available).

These are pictures of Dee, from this morning.

Dee is on the right.
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Dee is closer to the cam.
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Re: Surrey Reserve 2018-2019 Observation and Discussion

Post by JudyB » Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:01 pm

It's 2 pm and the nest is empty, and we have plans for dinner, so I'm not likely to be checking in again until the morning.

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Re: Surrey Reserve 2018-2019 Observation and Discussion

Post by BETHINB.C. » Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:56 pm

Hi Judy, all is a mess here today so not able to get back to you. I looked at the video and I too was sure we had a visitor because of the wing feathers. I thought for sure you were right. When I looked back earlier I could have sworn I watched one of them trying to put the nest together again ( something along the line of a parent?) I thought it was Dee but now I am so confused. She was picking up small bits of grass and moving them to the other end of the nest. I am not at all familiar with eagles fledgelings so don't go by me. I saw the fish head and I also saw a furry thing that (I thought Dee) was de furring? Did I wonder if maybe she caught it and brought to the nest herself? I didn't see a parent bring it in. I hope I haven't mixed it all up.

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Re: Surrey Reserve 2018-2019 Observation and Discussion

Post by Marg » Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:05 pm

Here are some scaps I took when I went back.
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Re: Surrey Reserve 2018-2019 Observation and Discussion

Post by Marg » Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:09 pm

3 more then I got the spinning circle but it flew out shortly after the last scap. Who was it?

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Re: Surrey Reserve 2018-2019 Observation and Discussion

Post by BETHINB.C. » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:08 pm

Hello Marg, I am really confused right now.. To me it looked like one of our fledgelings brought food to the nest...i that possible?

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Re: Surrey Reserve 2018-2019 Observation and Discussion

Post by gemini » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:04 am

Went back to where Judy B left off - Dee arrived at the nest at 2:08 pm.
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She poked around in the nest, rested, poked around some more and laid down again until 2:48 pm ......
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then she opted for the slanted branch for a few minutes before leaving at 2:53.
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Re: Surrey Reserve 2018-2019 Observation and Discussion

Post by gemini » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:19 am

Ess came in for a visit at 4:18 pm.
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She went up to the slanted branch after a couple of minutes ....
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and perched, calling out every few minutes, until she left t 6:27 pm without getting a meal- hmmmm - you'd think she'd catch on that calling out doesn't really work!
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Sur came in at 9:01 with a furry meal of some kind. I believe Ess got it.

Added: After editing my master video I realized it was Dee that grabbed the prize not Ess.



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Re: Surrey Reserve 2018-2019 Observation and Discussion

Post by IrishEyes » Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:00 am

Good Morning Judy, Beth, gemini and thanks nightowl for starting the day here!
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Re: Surrey Reserve 2018-2019 Observation and Discussion

Post by JudyB » Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:42 am

Good morning, everyone! Thanks for posting the weather today and every day, Bev - it's nice to know what's going on in that part of the world!

So I started to look back on the dvr to where gemini left off - and when I clicked at random - this image from last night is what I saw and I just had to share it - it's from 21:12 - and for some reason I have a hard time converting 21 to a 12-hour clock, but I think that's 9:12 pm.
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Looking at that, I had no clue how many fledglings were there! But I think it's Dee, and eventually she pulled in her feathers - and I realized that Ess was off to the side on the right.
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And I'm happy I caught that because it shows both fledglings are still hanging around, and Dee is still getting fed on the nest. The food was brought by Sur, I think, and Ess did try to take it when she arrived a few minutes later, but Dee kept control.

It looked as if Ess was eating something a little later, so there my have been some left - but Dee got most. And Dee didn't exactly push Ess off the nest - but she pushed Ess to the edge and Ess decided it was a good time to retreat to one of the perch branches, which is where she was when I got my initial screenshot of the big mantle.

Dee flew up to the little perch branch, then up the slanted trunk and took off around 9:20 with a couple of calls (maybe she saw a parent and went to check it out?). Ess flew off in the same direction a minute or two later.

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Post by JudyB » Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:55 am

continuing from the dvr....

I didn't see anyone on the nest or perches after that, though I skimmed quickly. But it would be unusual for them to fly to the nest at night.

Around 5:12 I heard a metallic clunk and wondered if it was garbage day in the housing development off to the side - and then discovered it was a fledgling, discovering a new branch!
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And actually I had seen one of them up there briefly yesterday, but forgot to look for a screenshot. And this was Ess, and she came gracefully down to the nest a minute or so later and did some calling, then flew off around 5:17. I think I heard a distant call before she went - so maybe a meal offsite.

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Post by JudyB » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:07 am

continuing....

Around 5:53 I heard some calling, and I believe Ess came to the nest - and I didn't notice until I froze the screen for the picture - but there's an adult perched in a tree in the upper right corner of the screen! I don't remember noticing anyone there before.
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Looking back, I think I saw a fledgling fly by at 5:52, then Ess arrived on the nest at 5:53, and the adult arrived in the other tree about a minute later.

At 5:59 am, Ess was looking for leftovers, and the adult was preening (and ignoring a whole lot of screeping from Ess).
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The adult flew off at 6:01 and Ess seemed to be watching to see where s/he was going, and upped the volume of the screeping a bit, to remind the adult there was a hungry fledgling. But it didn't seem to work - no food delivery. And around 6:02, Ess went out to one of the perches and stayed there for a while.
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She moved back to the nest at some point, and flew off eventually; the nest was empty and quiet at 6:15 am.

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Re: Surrey Reserve 2018-2019 Observation and Discussion

Post by JudyB » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:14 am

Continuing....

6:41 am
Res arrived on the nest with food - I think a small bird. Here are a couple of pictures of her and her dirty tail since she was there for a moment before anyone arrived.
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One of the fledglings arrived almost immediately - and I'm waiting for a look at the tail, but I think it's Ess that got this prize.

And she changed position so I can confirm that it's Ess.
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Meal was over at 6:56, and she moved out to a perch.
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Post by JudyB » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:21 am

It's now 8:14 am, and she is still hanging out on the perch, and doing some preening, and occasionally calling.
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I forgot to mention -

Beth, you asked if one of the fledglings had brought food to the nest - and I don't think so. When I was trying to figure out if we had a non-resident fledgling visiting the nest, I thought that fledgling had come in with something fluffy - but I finally managed to catch one of the adults doing a drop and run as the fledgling approached. And at this point I'm pretty sure that we didn't have a third fledgling visiting - it was Dee and Ess moving into a new stage of development and how they relate to each other. But I'm still interested in hearing what others think, once folks have had a chance to look at some of the videos.

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Post by BETHINB.C. » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:19 am

Good morning everyone, I am having a bit of trouble typing as I have eczema on my hands and its flared up again. Please know I say good morning to each and every one of you.

Judy, thank you so much for answering my question, I was trying to figure out how the food got in the nest. I was just at the north camera and there was another chick eating a small bird :cry1: nd again I never caught the drop...they are quick!!

I am still here peeking in now and again.
Judy, I live here and I can't figure out that 9:00 is 21 hundred hour..wish it would go back to normal.

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Post by JudyB » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:22 am

Hope you feel better soon, Beth - that's no fun! Happily my joints are all feeling better now, though I'm still trying to be careful to not overdo anything.

Looking back, it looks as if Ess left the perch beside the nest at 9:08 am.


It's now 11:20 am and I couldn't find any additional visits as I did a quick look back.

I will mention that it is possible that at some point one or both fledglings will realize that they can grab the food an adult delivers and fly off with it, hopefully to where the other sibling won't find them and try to grab it. That will work better if they don't call at the top of their lungs while doing it - but actually they do seem to stop calling once they are alone on the nest with the food, so I think the calls are primarily to chase the adults and other sibling away. I don't know that this will happen, and I've seen it more with osprey fledglings - but if they do that, it will be much harder to notice while looking back on the dvr!

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Post by gemini » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:33 pm

Good afternoon everyone,

Thanks, Judy for covering last night's visit - here is some video to go with it ......

This video of last night's 9:01 pm visit is longer than usual because it includes both views - north and south cams - but worth watching for the action. Keep your eye on the nest time up top as the scene changes from south to north/north to south. I tried to pickup from the same time as when I switched so we see an action in one view and then the other. This was an experiment I now wonder whether or not was worth the time it took to do the recording and the editing. Opinions would be much appreciated.

Yesterday at 9:01 pm
:vid: Dee hangs onto her prize


At one point in the south cam view, Dee disappears - she didn't really! She went up the slanted tree - I managed to edit out that prt accidentally!
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Post by JudyB » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:02 pm

The video is great, gemini! And wow - they really took off in a hurry at the end. I think they are getting very comfortable with their wings!


It's now 4 pm, and I just took a quick look back with the dvr, and didn't see any visits to the nest since my last post.


Added -

It's now 5:20 pm. I checked back and didn't see any visits. I hear at least one of the fledglings nearby calling for food, but am not seeing either of them (which is not surprising - they are sometimes up high in the nest tree, or hiding on the far side of all those leaves.

Close to time for me to say good night. I may be online a bit longer, but if not - have a good evening.
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Post by gemini » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:53 pm

Thanks Judy!

It is 6:40 and there still is no sign of any eaglets - Not quite true, I hear one screeping away at 6:12 pm, but who knows where it is perched! - I checked both DVR's right back to where Ess left this morning. Not that I am checking up on you, Judy, :bye 1: but those moving leaves and shadows do produce lifelike faux eaglets!

I'll be back later to cover the evening shift!

7:05 pm I think I hear screeping in the distance and one closeup!
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Post by Marg » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:30 pm

Hi everyone.
Just tuned in and saw activity!
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Eating then calling out occasionally. Mantling here.

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Surrey Reserve 2018-2019 Observation and Discussion

Post by IrishEyes » Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:26 am

Good Morning Judy, Beth , gemini , Marg and all !Thank you nightowl for staring the day here!

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No eagles but there is food on the nest
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