Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by IrishEyes » Fri May 13, 2022 12:43 pm

From the NPTZ Cam
12:37p
Mom Dimnple incubating the eggs
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:chin: I wonder if she left and came back
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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by IrishEyes » Fri May 13, 2022 12:58 pm

12:48pm
Two eggs I missed Mom leaving
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12:49p
Mom Dimple is back ... rolls the eggs
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She is incubating the eggs
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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by IrishEyes » Fri May 13, 2022 1:02 pm

12:59p
No Cam..... Family brought me my groceries .. I have to put them away
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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by IrishEyes » Fri May 13, 2022 1:17 pm

From Judy
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I should be home and able to reboot in about 90 minutes.
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TY Judy ..Take your time.. I was reporting from the NPTZ Cam
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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by IrishEyes » Fri May 13, 2022 1:26 pm

1:23pm.. I can't connect to the NPTC Cam ......anyone else ??

ETA I can now ..No Picture
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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by IrishEyes » Fri May 13, 2022 1:42 pm

I trued another browser
1:27 pm
Mom Dimple incunbating the eggs
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Post by IrishEyes » Fri May 13, 2022 1:54 pm

1:51pm Cl for bigger
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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by JudyB » Fri May 13, 2022 2:22 pm

2:20 pm
Thanks, Bev! The embedded cam is streaming again. The eggs are alone on the nest.

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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by IrishEyes » Fri May 13, 2022 2:45 pm

JudyB wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 2:22 pm
2:20 pm
Thanks, Bev! The embedded cam is streaming again. The eggs are alone on the nest.
Thanks Judy !
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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by IrishEyes » Fri May 13, 2022 2:49 pm

One more
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Quiet except for the sound of the wind
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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by IrishEyes » Fri May 13, 2022 3:27 pm

3:23p
Dimple is having a nice long break
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I did check the DVR back to my last post . I hope I didn't miss her .... she is flying around getting exercise and found something good to eat .
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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by JudyB » Fri May 13, 2022 3:44 pm

3:43 pm
I'm going to log in quickly to check some of the places we've been seeing eagles.

Didn't see anyone, and the cam wasn't moving well, so I've logged out again.

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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by IrishEyes » Fri May 13, 2022 3:46 pm

JudyB wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 3:44 pm
3:43 pm
I'm going to log in quickly to check some of the places we've been seeing eagles.
TY Judy! BBl
I checked you zooming also Judy
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Post by IrishEyes » Fri May 13, 2022 3:56 pm

3:54p
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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by IrishEyes » Fri May 13, 2022 4:13 pm

4:10p
Eggs are still alone
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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by IrishEyes » Fri May 13, 2022 4:43 pm

4:40p
Eggs are still alone
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Mom has been gone over 2 hours +
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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by IrishEyes » Fri May 13, 2022 4:56 pm

4:48p\ Mom is back
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Rolling the eggs
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Shimmies on the eggs incubating them
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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by IrishEyes » Fri May 13, 2022 5:08 pm

5:05p
Mom staying close to the eggs incubating them
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It's been along day .. Goodnight Mom Dimple and Dad Duffer where you are .. Judy and all who watch this nest :grhug:
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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by Heather L » Fri May 13, 2022 9:16 pm

Thank You Bev and Judy . Live Feed has gone to Black Screen last scap 8:53:37 pm
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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by Heather L » Fri May 13, 2022 9:19 pm

Didn't see Mom Dimple fly off the rest of the evening , just couple scaps 7:38 pm
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Up stretching 7:47 pm
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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by Heather L » Fri May 13, 2022 9:21 pm

Good stretch 7:47 pm
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Incubating 7:48 pm
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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by Heather L » Fri May 13, 2022 9:23 pm

Stretching again 8:37 pm
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Incubating 8:38 pm
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Post by nightowl » Fri May 13, 2022 11:57 pm

SATURDAY, MAY 14, 2022

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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by JudyB » Sat May 14, 2022 12:01 am

Good evening, everyone!

11:55 pm
Thanks for posting that the embedded cam had stopped streaming, Heather. I've restarted it, and Dimple is sleeping on the nest, incubating her eggs.
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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by Heather L » Sat May 14, 2022 12:33 am

Thank You Judy , Mom Dimple was up 12:15 am Tended to her eggs . Incubating 12:30 am
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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by IrishEyes » Sat May 14, 2022 5:02 am

Good Morning H Mills and everyone.. thank you nightowl for stating our day here and Judy for restarting the cam.and Heather for your posts.
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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by IrishEyes » Sat May 14, 2022 6:01 am

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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by JudyB » Sat May 14, 2022 6:25 am

Good morning, everyone!

Today is day 34 for the first egg, day 31 for the second egg.
Eagle eggs normally hatch 35 to 40 days after they're laid, with 36 to 38 or 39 days being the most common.

As those of you who have been watching other eagle cams know, what we're seeing here is not normal. Most of the time, on most of the nests, both adults share in incubation of the eggs the same as they share in the work of setting up the nest (and I know Dimple and Duffer have had their share of "discussions" about the perfect place to put a certain stick - they are a well-bonded pair).

That said, it's now 34 days since Dimple laid her first egg and she is the only one who has done any incubating.

She is doing a fantastic job - balancing the need to keep the eggs warm and dry with her need for the food and exercise she'd normally get while her mate tended the eggs.

And, just to be clear, I think Dad Duffer is also doing a fantastic job. It is unfortunate that the job he seems to be focused on is not helping to care for the eggs - it's defending the territory. Having an intruder attack about the same time that his partner is laying her first eggs ever has to be the worst of luck for this relatively young pair - but sadly that seems to be what happened. And I need to remind myself that eagles are slow developing, long-lived birds - it takes more or less five years before they can produce offspring (occasionally 4, but that's uncommon, and many don't nest until they are 6 or 7 or older) - and they can remain productive for 20 or more years - so protecting the territory for the future is more important than focusing on the eggs when there is an intruder who might destroy them anyway if not driven off.

I'm not a biologist or any sort of expert, but I have been watching eagle cams for more than 15 years, so I have an idea what has happened with Duffer, though not the scientific language to describe it. It's my non-expert opinion that in the weeks leading up to the laying of the first egg, Dimple and Duffer were both in what I will call nesting mode. They were preparing the nest, mating frequently, and Dimple was going through hormonal changes to prepare her to lay eggs. This next part is conjecture on my part - but it seems likely that Duffer was responding to something in Dimple's behavior by mating more often and perhaps producing more sperm - or something that encouraged the instinct to produce and care for eggs. And if there hadn't been an intruder about then, I think he would have been great. He was a full partner with Mrs Honeycomb when they produced an egg together.

Unfortunately, there was an intruder, and at least one fight in which Duffer was injured - we have pictures of him shortly after the first egg was laid with a lot of blood on his neck. Fortunately, he has recovered nicely. Unfortunately, I think the disruption triggered a whole different set of instincts - to fight like mad and protect his territory. And that replaced the warm, fuzzy Dad instincts he would normally have had upon seeing the egg for the first time. When they are in nesting mode, eagles are very committed to caring for their eggs. That's where Dimple is right now - and I'm personally convinced that's where Duffer would have been if not for one or more very serious fights at just the wrong moment.

So - what happens next.

Dimple has done an extraordinary job of incubating the eggs - but it's likely that she was away enough that they are no longer viable and won't hatch. From what I've seen, that actually won't bother her as much as it will us - if they don't hatch, she'll continue incubating for maybe a few more weeks (or maybe more), but will eventually spend more and more time off the nest, and the eggs will either break or get taken by predators or will get buried as the eagles begin to prepare the nest for next year. Quite frankly, that's what I'm hoping will happen.

The incredible long shot, a million to one possibility is that one or both will hatch, and seeing them will suddenly restart Duffer's nurturing instinct and he'll help care for them. It would be wonderful - but I don't think I've ever heard of that happening, and it seems quite unlikely that it will happen here. I wish I thought it was a possibility, but....

Duffer has brought moss and straw into the nest and put them on the eggs - but I'm afraid that I think it's not that he's bringing them to protect the eggs, but that he's moved on to preparing the nest for next year, and is trying to cover up those bumps cluttering up the nest cup. It's really hard - no matter how much I try to view this from an eagle perspective, I'm human, and I want him to be able to rejoice in the little chicks he and Dimple might have created - but that's not where he is, and while I'd love to be wrong, I do not think that seeing a little chick asking for food would be enough to reset his instincts. (Trying like the eagles to take the long view - there is a really good chance that Dimple and Duffer will have many successful years together, and produce many healthy, happy chicks - just almost certainly not this year.)

And this part is hard to think about and hard to write, and I know it will be hard to read, but I want people to be prepared, just in case. If one or both eggs begin to hatch - or hatch - there is a chance that when Dimple leaves the nest to get food for herself and for them, Duffer will come in and not realize that they are little eagles - because his instincts are not focused on caring for chicks, he may see them as food and act accordingly. I have seen that happen - and it is a possibility here. It's very unlikely - but could happen, so if they do start to hatch - please know that it's OK to not watch for a while until we know a bit more about how it all plays out.

I don't like writing posts that are downers - so I'll end with a brief happier update for our other nests:

Our White Rock pair have two chicks in their new nest, and all seems to be going well for little Sierra and Tango, and we're hoping to add an overhead cam to their new nest in the fall so we'll have a better look at them as little chicks next year.

We think Ma Delta has a new mate - and our GoFundMe drive to provide them with a new nest is over halfway towards its goal! Their current nest tree is dying and branches are falling off so we need to provide a replacement later this year - please check out https://www.gofundme.com/f/a-new-home-f ... agles-nest and if you can help, that would be wonderful!

And the new pair at Surrey Reserve are bringing in sticks and looking as if they may actually nest and raise a family next year.

And while it's hard to think of next year for Dimple and Duffer while so much is happening this year - I truly believe they will have little chicks next year, and we'll get to see them fledge. :love:

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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by IrishEyes » Sat May 14, 2022 6:51 am

Thank you so much Judy for the excellent post :hug: I really don't know what else to say ... this must have been hard for you to write.... you have a way with words that no one else has..... I am keeping good thoughts for this nest and hope and pray some of this doesn't happen..I really don't think the eggs will hatch and I hope they don't ..... looking forward to a better season next year.
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Re: Harrison Mills 2021-2022 Observation and Discussion Thread

Post by IrishEyes » Sat May 14, 2022 7:08 am

6:31a
Raining ,,Mom Dimple incubating the eggs
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Cam webt to Blank Screen right after the above post ..I will report it
NPYZ Cam is streaming
7:13a
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